@KingofEverything Hey there! You just mentioned that you are having more free time. Any chance you would want to share some free time in the direction of helping me piece together a book? I have been writing, and it’s prolific but I’m not sure how to piece together the story to create a cohesive tale. I’m too crazy to put together a sane story. I’m hoping you could direct me in the process.
Because I believe once upon a time we talked about doing something of that sort, but I could be mistaken.
Though last time we talked about this Owndog also ran away for 3 months
So handcuff him to the radiator or something first
Hahaha Yeah life happened and it pulled him away. But things are better so that shouldn’t happen again. Plus I only save the radiator handcuffing for special occasions.
@KingofEverything What do you need from me to get started? The story I have in mind is about Alice of Alice in Wonderland. She’s a real girl in the real world who learns that she can travel through mirrors. She is the first of the Mirror Walkers. Through her excursions traveling through mirrors she notices a pattern (one of her gifts) that every mirror is connected to other mirrors that are paralleled in their problems. So Alice begins solving problems in the Mirrored Worlds. When she solves the problems in the Mirrored World the mirrors start reflecting differently in the Real World. Eventually people pick up on Alice and her Mirror Walking Adventures. People start helping her solve problems until eventually she and her band of Mirror Walkers have solved every other world’s problem so much so that the mirrors in the real world all reflect differently. It comes down to the Real World being the only world left with a problem. And so the world turns to Alice to solve their problems and that’s when they realize they can’t find Alice. Anywhere. And they are left to wonder how did a piece of fiction alter reality before their eyes?
Well sounds like you have the basic ideas to create a timeline/outline of your story So all you have to do now is start actually writing your ideas Typically I recommend writing the part of your story that is most vivid in your mind and then setting it aside to fill in all the rest of your outline
Or just writing out a short piece to capture the mystery/feel you want
Well I guess this is where I stumble a bit because I am so inundated with details about this story, I’m not sure where exactly the story is to be told. Alice exists in a Multiverse where every possibility of every possibility exists. So literally in her story, every story is told. So which story do you focus on for her? Because she realizes through her travels that her first trip through the Mirror split the essence of who she was into four, or two – she’s not quite sure.
I have no problem sitting down and free-writing this story. But I can come up with details endlessly that tell a similar story but never get down to progressing the story at hand. It’s almost like Alice is stuck in a Groundhog Day type situation.
Actually, now that I think about it I have a lot written about this Universe. Writing about the Where’s Alice story opened up a different story that told about the Programming Language behind the Reality that we witness in the Multiverse. The Programming Language is actually a massive game played via Gamers Behind Reality. The Programmers are working out the kinks in the code to solve for The Utopian Reality (Perfect Living for ALL). That series is called the Universe of Utopia.
She’s still confined by being a single person with a finite amount of time, no matter how many possibilities there are
and even if there are multiple Alice’s you’re following your Alice
Even a groundhog’s day situation requires Alice to be the same Alice and remember the things she did before regardless if time resets
Oh was going to add you as a friend to keep the conversation out of the mod channel, but I guess it doesn’t hurt anything
so go on
Would it be an interesting story if the storyteller accidentally gets confused telling the story and starts talking about Mirror Alice versus the Real Alice and eventually wakes up to realize that she is telling the story all along about herself because she’s the only one that knows it? So Alice ends up being a confused narcissistic psychopath with a messiah complex going on.
You could use a flawed narrator approach
She’s got to be the best of the best and so goes about creating the greatest story ever told and makes it all about her. Leaving out that she’s talking about herself the whole time.
I have a pretty fleshed out storyline revolving around Perfect Peter and Dudley DoesWhatHeWants.
Perfect Peter is married to Beautiful Bettie who is an aspect of Alice living in the Realm of Utopia, a fantasy land born in a dream.
Like, I have 8,000+ words telling about PP and DD. But do I need to tell that story?
You might want to fully form this alice idea and then instead tell your story from the perspective of another character who is a fish out of water and can be fooled and foiled by this Alice machine
I’d save PP/DD for a side story or something
As a thing that more explains the mechanism behind your setting
My mind is revolving around the idea that Alice is missing because she is caught between the World of Mirrors and the World of Reality, having stepped out of one World and into the Other before a real connection was possible. Thus becoming the connection between the two. Now she stands as fantasy, fairytale, fiction, fable, and fact. She’s stopped thinking of herself as Alice and now considers herself to be the Holy Trinity of Five or 555 (The KeyMaster and KeepLock in her mind’s language).
As 555, she holds the Key to turning 666 (The Perfect Ending) into 444 (The New Earth) and holds within her personhood the ability to unlock the Gates of Heaven that have been locked to Hell that is Reality.
So where The Real World and the World of Mirrors are busy trying to solve their problem of Where’s Alice? – Alice is busy solving her own problem of when is the perfect moment for when she was meant to open Heaven to Hell?
Yeah you can do all that. Its fine. Think of your craziest most out there idea, think of your deepest fucked up view on reality and go write it down on your outline. Now when you’re writing your story you’ll be doing it from a perspective and you have to show the reader what normal looks like for your character. Then you start introducing the crazy concepts
the supernatural that embodies the reality
So is your reader going to read about Alice?
or a character witnessing Alice?
I think my skill as a writer would best be suited for telling the story from the perspective of someone witnessing Alice. Though as I think through most of my words come from a pulled back perspective that seems to tell more about the character than it is actually a person having an event with Alice.
lol Makes me giggle because ultimately the story is being told as Alice witnessing herself.
I think my craziest belief about reality is that Magic is Real and that Reality is Really Magical. And so the entire Universe of Alice is based in Magic even though the Real World views magic as made up fantasy and fictional falsehoods.
That’d be twist
the protagonist is Alice witnessing a bunch of different Alice’s pretending to be Alice
and the story is written to obscure it somewhat til maybe the end
Yes exactly – every person in reality ends of being a divine fractal of the whole essence of Alice. When Alice left the Real World for the World of Mirrors her essence was split into the tiniest of pieces which then gave life to every being in Existence. All of Existence is now deeply connected by the wholeness of Alice.
Without Alice going through the Mirror that first time – Existence and Reality would cease to be. Which is a mystery in and of itself because how did she go through the mirror if nothing existed before she split herself apart?
Which then reveals that Existence was created from a fairytale which is why Magic is Real and predates every story ever told in Existence. Existence was born of Eternity when Eternity wished to bring Youthfull Joy to the World.
Yes well before all of that you have to write an opening chapter
Protagonist meets Alice
Chapter 2: Alice and Protagonist go through the mirror for a short time to fix a problem
Would it work that the Protagonist meets Alice in a Dream? I have the thought that she comes to him in a dream to help get his ideas on a problem only he can solve.
But she doesn’t want him to know who she is and so she comes in through his subconscious to get to the truth of how he really feels.
Yeah, however you want to do it
The trick is to start writing it Maybe the protagonist just starts dreaming about Alice
and then bam
there she is in real life one day
Oooh, I kind of like that. But in the world of dreams, any detail can mask the truth of what’s being seen. So while the protagonist is dreaming of Alice, she’s seeing different people in each dream, never realizing that every different person is really the same person that is Alice.
So perhaps the first chapter will be that of different dreams telling the story that Alice is seeking to share.
But that feels disjointed before it even begins.
Well you’re going too far on the rules already
who just sits around and has problems
one day dreams and Alice is there
and then maybe a day goes by or something
and then Alice is there
and then something happens
and they go into the mirror
Wait til the end to drop your big crazy “every Alice is actually a person in your life” stuff
you can’t just introduce it immediately
One thing at a time
lol Yeah, I struggle with that. I have all the details, now is the process of deciding when to release the right detail.
You’re writing a book means you’re assembling a building You’re an architect and you have to have rooms and lobbies and shit for people to get from point A to point B You don’t just drop 20,000 tons of industrial steel and rhubar on someone and tell them to figure it out
Yes, but what rooms and lobbies do I need to create? My vision is that of the end of the story? I’m not sure where the story is that created the end point. It’s like I’m figuring out the story myself, like I’m along for the ride of what the story is meant to be. It’s a very surreal experience.
But I appreciate you being there to offer guidance. I feel this will be a big boon for me.
lol I kind of like the idea of creating a story that is a puzzle in and of itself and takes time to piece together. Like a choose your own adventure type story.
A lobby for people to enter into your story Probably a secretary, aka VERY CLEAR Rules on how the mirrors work for the protagonists, for people to debate over
Oooh that’s awesome. I have a set of 10 Commitments (a reimagining of the Commandments) that would be perfect to expect Mirror Walkers to adhere to.
I’m thinking of a Programmer that stays late at work and falls asleep working on an important project. During the dream, Alice appears and gives him the perfect code to solve every problem. And then walks through with him, every piece of the code so that he will not forget it upon waking. When he wakes he feels the importance of bringing that code to reality and so sets aside his important project in favor of working on Alice’s Code. After days of tackling away at the mysterious code that flows freely from him, he finally finishes it. And that’s when Alice appears to him.
You may want to reign in your “perfects” and “best of the best” simply having her provide the inspiration for a code
Curious because it’s how my mind works – what is the reason for reigning in those things? Does the idea of perfection rub people wrongly?
think of it as a “road to perfection”
you get one thing
the perfect code that solves everything is all things
its all the things
not just one thing
you can’t take all the steps as your first step
you have to take the first step
and then get them in order
lol This is my childish mind at work – isn’t one code simply one thing, just the one thing that is a key to all things?
Or is that just arguing semantics?
I suppose if you mean “she gives him a code that solves his immediate problems” that’s one thing versus a “Code so good it fixes everything forever on its own without him”
My thought is that giving him the code sets him on the first step to perfection. The first step is getting the code. The second step is creating the code in reality. The third step is using the code to solve problems. The next step is solving every problem. The last step is seeing what the picture looks like when every problem has been solved and the code has been used in its entirety.
It’s so funny that you said “road to perfection”. I have almost 241,000 words written toward a collection titled “Path to Perfection”
Well just in terms of the practical, if he’s a programmer he just probably needs a direction to code something in- and not just handed “the code” or something like that. “How do I make the program account for this and that when this and that”- it’d be like needing a tool to fix something and then Alice handing him that tool. The way I read it seemed like you meant Alice lets him solve programming forever with a new coding language. So yeah it might just be semantics and technicalities on my end.
Just publish your Path to Perfection as is
bet it’d be an interesting read
It might be interesting but I don’t know it’s a book. It’s a bunch of long blog posts that all move forward in the same direction but don’t necessarily piece together in a cohesive or chronological progression. Stream of consciousness of a crazy person might make for a difficult read for most.
He does create a new programming language. She spoke the virtual language he needed to transcribe into the code that solves problems. Basically she speaks in 1s and 0s and he can understand her enough to translate her truth into reality.
I’d like to put together something worth reading. I’m great at creating words. I would prefer to create words that people won’t feel upset about investing their time in. I can produce 1-2,000 words per hour so content isn’t the problem. It’s what direction to take that content so people will want to read it.
You can do the Alice dream thing if you want as an opener but you can also stow it for later at some point Mostly I’d focus on: Chapter 1 Normalcy Chapter 2 Mirror World shenanigans and problem introduction Chapter 3 Working towards fixing mirror problem Chapter 4 revelation of how mirrors work etc etc
Alright, I have a list to work from. Yay! This is exciting.
I’m considering for normalcy pulling in my own experiences with bipolarity. So the normal state for Alice is to disconnect from reality without ever doing anything but being herself.
So the beginning can be explaining her day to day that moves forward in a magically upbeat fashion. Everything wonderful, everything positive, everything kind of perky. Perhaps even annoyingly so. It will be explained like a Real World Fairytale living in a Hellish Reality. Snow White/Cinderella/Jasmine Princess mix to her story. She’s like Eve having taken a bite of the forbidden apple and creating a problem possibly beyond repair. She’s like Cinderella because she has a magical spiritual lineage that is willing to work to right her wrong making her dreams come true despite doing everything wrong. She’s like Jasmine because in the process of resolving the problem she created, she creates a whole new world of existence.
Try and have a rough draft of the first chapter done by, lets say Friday of Next week
What’s the typical length of a chapter? How much story do I need to express in one chapter? I can write words voluminously. I’m hoping for a limiter from you so I don’t overdo it.
Just googled to see what the internet had to say on the matter. 1,000 words is too short. More than 5,000 is too much. So shoot for between 3-5,000 words.
Words are a good guide but think of it as a movie scene
just end and start it where the scene would end and start
Okay, I can give that a try. I will shoot for next Friday but my OCD about things when I’m deeply interested may have me getting through it before then. We’ll see though.
Think of it as a test If you can’t even begin to write then you can’t build your Alma Mirror Corporate building
Oh I love tests! I have that annoying overachiever quirk about me and love to excel.
And as silly as it might sound, I would really like to see that Alma Mirrored Corporate Building come to fruition.
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